Clean Slate Society Forum

Clean-Slate Government

Flash — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:38:30 GMT

America became a superpower from nothing more than a rebellious colony all thanks to capitalism and the ideals of freedom.

I think a true Republic thats doesn't censore freedom of speech (such as in Europe where some nations make racism illegal) and a libertarian society with capitalist ideals.

So what would you like? Capitalism, socialism, communism, or what?

To the moon and beyond, or not as the budget may be

lkm — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:23:06 GMT

I was wondering, how does everybody here feel about Ares versus Direct versus something else entirely?

Clean Slate location

lkm — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:53:37 GMT

I think it's time to return to the 'where this city should be' debate. And I think it needs its own thread.

Besides the original Australian location Somalia was suggested as offering certain advantages but I've come to thing that perhaps a clean slate city state also needs a cleanslate location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

Perhaps what's needed is a clean slate geography from which to pick a clean slate location, so forgetting the bit about daming the med how about we flood ...

Democracy: Minimum voting age

NoMoreLies — Fri, 16 May 2008 23:01:28 GMT

Something that really gets on my nerves about the world is that I'm denied the right to vote simply because I'm under 18. I could evaluate the issues and make an informed vote better than a lot of adults (the Votes of the Ignorant?), but I'm not allowed to vote.

So the question is this: At what age should people be allowed to vote? The system would have to be safeqaurded of course from Parents/Guardians/Whoever using their childrens votes. Maybe that could be accomplished by having the voting ...

Clean slate cars

lkm — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:22:16 GMT

I thought this topic deserved it's own thread and for the purposes herein I shall define a car as point to point transportation for personal use, motorized, and by land.

Should the cs city have cars or be car free?

What should they look like, how should they be powered, be driven? can they fly? (pleaaaaaase can they fly?)

Some links to think about:

http://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/dualmode.htm

http://www.theoscarproject.org/

http://www.airshiptg.org/index.htm

http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/

I ...

Airships

NoMoreLies — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:43:02 GMT

I'd like to suggest a clean transportation system for cargo: Airships. They don't need roads, a big plus, and don't require as much fuel. They could be used for busses as well. Coaches.

The Slow Life

Locksley — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:17:31 GMT

Here's the link again:

http://www.slowplanet.com/index.cfm

(check out the blog and the four subcategories)

The point I was trying to make is that perhaps we need to consider, when planning our city, to incorporate some of these principles to create the quality of life that our residents deserve.

CS Electricity

Redsand11j — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:18:47 GMT

Electricity is really the choke point for what you can do. there is about 28% silicon by weight, 8% aluminum, 6% iron, and a little of everything else in dirt, once you break everything down ot elements. (www.indiana.edu/~geol116/week2/mineral.htm)

If you have good energy, you have plenty of metal etc.

So what kind of energy?

I would suggest a mix between Solar and nuclear, about 2/3 solar, 1/3 nuclear.

For solar, I think sterling cycle, which can be realistically 50% efficient, ...

Legacy

Locksley — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:33:38 GMT

A fundamental question that needs to be addressed, to provide a focus and a direction for our city, other than just being a �clean-slate� is: What makes a city great? What characteristics make London, New York, or Paris standout above others? It�s not population, I don�t know many people who would place Mumbai or Karachi, the most populous cities, on the top of the list. It�s not necessarily because of a high standard of living, Vienna and Helsinki have some of the highest standards of living ...

Radical Manned Mars Mission Architecture

Mike — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:00:59 GMT

Radical Manned Mars Mission Architecture:

- Utilizing the Ares V SDLV and Orion derived Hab architecture. It is a direct continuation of Project Constellation.

- Under the plan, an ERV, together with the required in-situ technology and large nuclear power source, is not initially required, if at all. This enables the mission to be executed immediately after the new Lunar goals have been fulfilled.

- Initially, a Hab module is all that is required. This will be smaller than the ...

clean-slate military

JFritchlee — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:30:18 GMT

As unplesant as this topic can be, it should be addressed. What should be the purpose of the military in a clean-slate society?

How should such a society organise a military force? Should it be like the Swiss, the French (foriegn leigon), the Americans (volunteer), the Soviets (conscription) or some other method that has not been tried yet?

How should such a force be equipped? Paid? Trained?

Sorry for such an open question, but it can be an interesting one.

Libertarian Ocean Colonies

Flash — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:47:51 GMT

Very interesting article:

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2008/05/seasteading?currentPage=all

That seems like a weird idea. I guess if you hate your ocean neighborhood then you row to the next.

Taxation

Redsand11j — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:40 GMT

I think that for a source of income, the government should bake metals out of dirt using cheap nuclear energy, and sell those on the world market. Couple that with mild taxation/very small tariffs on imports, and a decent sales tax, and the government should have plenty of money.

Flag of Esperance

Mike — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:55:06 GMT

Here is my proposal for the flag of Esperance:

The stripes represent the six continents (white stripes) and the seven seas (blues stripes), while the 12-stars in a cirlce represent unity and completeness.

Let me know what you think.

Website

NoMoreLies — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:41:03 GMT

Can we get a website up and running? I have some experience with HTML, and can put together a website in Frontpage, if that helps. This idea is to good to stagnate on a random forum that only has 5 members.

This could grow into a massive project if we let it.

Clean Slate health service

lkm — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:27:17 GMT

There are currently only really three methods of running a national health service in practice at the moment, a taxation based socialized health service, an insurance based service, and a fee based service. They each have their problems, the taxation based service works from a fixed budget which means more expensive treatments become difficult to pay for while the insurance and fee based service tend to lead to health exclusion for the worse off. There is however a deeper and more insidious ...

A United North America?

Flash — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:05:20 GMT

www.UnitedNorthAmerica.org

These guys want a united north america. Kind of like NAU. I'm not really into that kind of idea.

Clean Slate Education

lkm — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:51:09 GMT

There seems to be two main problems facing education today, firstly day by day the vast volume of information available that could be usefully learned is increasing exponentially yet our ability to teach it to those who wish to learn has not. Secondly the realization that everyone is different and the most effective teaching method varies from person to person, one size fits no one.

I would start with a suggestion of abandoning the agricultural year and moving to an industrialized one, i.e. ...

A Mars City

Lucien Zakhaev — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:40:41 GMT

I believe that countries today are taking their time in getting back to the Moon (2018) and making the first trip to Mars (2030). I am very interested in the clean-slate city-state idea. But I am much more interested in a Mars city. Unfortunately, I do not know where to start. I am currently in High School, so I am not sure what type of education I should be going for. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

Theory of history

Redsand11j — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:04:14 GMT

I was in my history class a few days ago, and the teacher said something that I think everyone here would appreciate, and see the validity of. Basically, it was this: New ideas (like those by Marx, Protestant Reformation, the prelude to the French Revolution etc) lead to Revolutions (enacting the new ideas), which leads to war and chaos between the new ideas and the old. This in turn leads to more new ideas.

Examples: Protestant Reformation:

New ideas: Protestantism

Revolution: ...

Clean Slate PCs

Mike — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:08:34 GMT

Modern personal computers are products of gradual evolution. They are extremely complex, and like many complex things, they are inherently slow to change. However, it is their complexity which makes them reliable and stable; any modifications that are made can be easily undone or simply ignored if they turn out to be less useful than anticipated. Nevertheless, I believe there are at least a few arguments in favor of designing a clean-slate PC.

Firstly, the gradual evolution of the PC has ...

Whole society overview (If allowed)

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:07:33 GMT

I'd like to write a long in depth explanation of a society i would build if i had the resources and the means to do so. But before i start rambling here i'd like someone to comfirm if I'm allowed to post my ideas on this forum? (Yes i know its practically empty and devoid of activity but cant hurt can it)

Clean Slate international language

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:18:40 GMT

I feel that an important factor in international cooperation is language. There are just too many languages to learn in order to establish international cooperation. I'm not so arrogant as to think that everyone should learn English. English is far from being a good language, but every language has some good aspects and some bad. If we could take all the goods and build an international language around them this would be a big step in international cooperation.

Yes there's Esperanto, ...

Clean Slate city Naming

lkm — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:32:55 GMT

I think it's about time to a name to this city, if only to stop using the cSCS acronym.

To start the ball rolling, may I suggest:

Neopolis, literally meaning new city state.

Solon, named after the father of athenian democracy.

Poseidon, a patron god of athens and a sinister mega corp in ghost in the shell.

But how about some new ones, any ideas?

How the 25-hour day might work.

Mike — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:03:13 GMT

Here are some points I made about the 25-hour day system, clipped from another thread:

"A more extreme, but highly efficient, method to smooth the loads on roads, and at the same time make traffic highly predictable, is to introduce staggered work start times which extend throughout the day and night. Having the whole city operate 24 hours a day will ensure that all infrastructure is used to its fullest capacity, and will greatly increase the economy of the city, especially manufacturing ...

PARIS Launch System

Mike — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:09:16 GMT

PARIS Parallel Rocket launch System

'PARIS' can be taken as an acronym for Parallel Rocket launch System, Parallel Rocket Integration System, or Parallel Rocket-Ignition System.

Basically, in its original form, the idea is the product of combining the Delta IV Heavy growth options to the Ares V core stage.

All tanks and engines burn from the beginning until the tank is spent. This dispenses the need for ullage engines, and ensures engine reliability.

Using extended versions ...

Clean Slate system of Measurement

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:33:13 GMT

After reading the decimal time thread, I thought about revamping the entire measurement system.

1. Start with base twelve for counting. Ten is divisible by only 2 and 5.

Twelve is divisible by 2,3,4,6. Sixty is even better 2,3,4,5,6,12,15,20,30.

2. Metric was built around water as a base to build measuring systems around, I like that. But length needs to be based on a more universal segment. Velocity can be based on the speed of light in a vacuum, and from there I suppose we could ...

Decimal Time- the ultimate CS

lkm — Tue, 06 May 2008 16:37:30 GMT

No true clean slate solution can can possibly not fix our bizarre calendar.

A second is an SI unit measure in base 10, so it follows logically that there really should be 100 seconds to the minute, a hundred minutes to the hour, a day is the precise length it's calculated to be to the milisecond as controlled from a central nuclear clock, with a steady 365 days in a year a week can become five days long with a one day weekend and thus there is exactly 73 weeks in a year which breaks down ...

Clean Slate Metropolis

Mike — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:40:22 GMT

Imagine a new city of around 5 million, designed and built from scratch. Utilizing modern design philosophies, a mix of transport methods, and environmentally friendly infrastructure.

Lets look at some of the potential benefits to a clean slate city:

- Planning for a large, dense population from the get-go, we can design more efficienct, expandable infrastructures. For example, a false underground can be created to contain pipes, electricity, and transport systems, each of which can ...

Liberty Island

Flash — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:51:17 GMT

I found a forum kind of similiar to this one.

http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=libertyisland

Apparently they want to purchase and island and start a new society.

Edit: I didn't know if I should've posted this in the Links forum or not. I wasn't sure if that was an admin thing only.

Ron Paul

Flash — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 06:59:41 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

This guy looks great. Everyone should vote for him I hope!

CS food/water

Redsand11j — Sat, 31 May 2008 17:23:57 GMT

these are necessary for life. how should food be grown/ obtained within the boundaries of a city? Water, if it is on the coast, can be obtained through desalinization, but what about food?

Investment and Initial Planning

Locksley — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:31:31 GMT

A couple of questions I've been pondering:

How do we start attracting investment once this idea gets more momentum?

How do we appoint people to oversee design, construction, politics, etcetera?

Should we form a corporation or organization to serve as a basis for everything?

How can we convince Australia to let us build in their backyard?

Judicial System

Redsand11j — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:57:38 GMT

I think that the judicial systems of the world have got it wrong. The point of a judicial system in my opinion, is primarily to make sure that the defendant doesn't do the crime again, not to make sure that they are punished. If someone thinks that the defendant should be punished, they can sue. (In this case, you can sue for anything, up to and including the death penalty)

So basically, instead of crime and punishment, crime and correction.

However, as the punishment serves to deter ...

Privacy and the Survailance society

lkm — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:42:18 GMT

Something I think we need to discuss is the increasing trend over the last thirty years is the rapid shrinkage of the level of personal privacy that we as individuals enjoy in the western world. This has happened in a largely ad hoc manner without consultation as the rise of information technology has allowed business to database it's consumers and their every purchase, government to increasingly, though to a lesser degree than the private sector, document its citizens,. CCTV camera's are spreading ...

CS government/economy: Putarocracy

Redsand11j — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:30:14 GMT

Putarocracy is literally translated to "government by reckoning". However, it is the root word of computer, so it is meant to mean government by computers. Basically, there is a senate type thing with elected representatives, whose job it is to think of EVERY possible solution. These are put into the computer, which will, when it needs a value judgement, contact 100 citizens at random to give it. It will then choose the best solution.

The economy will be ...a problem point, actually. ...

Clean-Slate Policies

Mike — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:36:37 GMT

Here, I will post some ideas for this clean-slate city-state's official policies.

First off, I think lotteries should be disallowed. They are unethical by the way in which they ensnare the lower class with a tempting but false promise of instant riches without work. I think many countries have banned lotteries already. The ones that haven't banned them usually exploit them by requiring most of the profits to be returned to the state. But to me, this is perhaps even more unethical, as it ...

Tweaking the finer aspects of Government...

Mike — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:08:37 GMT

Now that we've decided that it is easier to tweak current systems of government than create whole new ones, lets examine some of the minor (or major) flaws that might need correcting.

I started this thread as a response to something I read in wikipedia:

"The City of Kawartha Lakes (population 74,561) is a city in east-central Ontario, Canada. Although designated as a "city", it is a largely rural area.

The main population centres of the 'city' are:

Omemee

Lindsay ...

Clean Slate Economics

Mike — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:46:38 GMT

I've recently flicked through Erik S Reinerts excellent new book, "How Rich Countries Got Rich, and Why Poor Countries Stay Poor". In it, Reinert asserts the importance of basing economic theories on real observations, not purely on idealistic theory as has been published before.

Here is an excerpt and following that are a few notes I made while flicking through:

pg7: "Antonio Serra. 17th Century economist, sought to explain why his hometown of Naples remained so ...

Copyright Law

Mike — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:16:30 GMT

I believe current copyright laws also could do with a great deal of revising.

Personally, I would like to see far less copyrighted material. A broader definition of what constitutes fair-use might be a good first step, but I feel a completely new copyright system is needed.

what is the goal?

Redsand11j — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:38:49 GMT

what is the goal of society? Is it to make everyone happy? Is it to increace freedom to the max? To maintain order and stability? To ensure prosperity? I think that this is the big decision that we have to make, then we can decide on everything else.

News Articles

Mike — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:02:23 GMT

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Is-Windows-Getting-Morbidly-Obese-62556.html?welcome=1207983175

Patent System

Mike — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:48:07 GMT

From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_to_file_and_first_to_invent ):

Quote:The debate as to which system is better is long-running and unlikely to reach a single conclusion. There are arguments for and against both systems.

The first to file system leads to procedural certainty as the filing date of an application can very rarely be challenged. In contrast, the first to invent system leads to uncertainty as the right to grant of a patent can be challenged by a second ...

What should be the first thing to buy for the place?

NoMoreLies — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:34:43 GMT

I'd like to suggest an Airship should be the first thing the Clean Slate Society should buy. A small one with a lift of 10mt should do. It would be able to serve as a conferencing area, transportation for members from they're country to the project site, somewhere for the government to be based, and a temporary base during the initial stages of construction. Similar to AirForce One. It wouldn't (shouldn't) cost too much.

Another (related) idea would be to just build the entire place as a ...

Tech Level

NoMoreLies — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:22:43 GMT

What level of technology should it have? Should it use nuclear power, coal; or solar, biofuel, wind, tital, and Hydro? What should the buildings be made of? How should the crops be grown? Should we try to make the tech look as inconspicuas as possible?

Clean Slate Wiki's

Mike — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:58:55 GMT

Like me, I'm sure many of you are grateful for the invention of wiki's like wikipedia. Personally, i've been impressed with the way people with previously stubborn bias have been able to become a little more open-minded and forgiving when debating some of the more morally taboo and other 'hot' topics. However, lately I think we're beginning to witness the 'information overload' problem in wikipedia; where ones attention span is stretched so far as to give up halfway through the material, leaving ...

"Objectives"

Redsand11j — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:20:56 GMT

Objectives- I think that the government should have certain 'objectives'- raising employment, space etc. that get x% of the federal budget, voted on yearly. What do you think?

Gold-Backed currency?

Flash — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:39:37 GMT

Hey so who here supports a gold-backed currency? I read that if all our money is backed by gold we would never hack to worry about inflation.

Links

Mike — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:47:39 GMT

General:

The 'Simultaneous Policy' Concept:

http://simpol.org/

Direct Democracy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

http://www.netcracy.com/

http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/

http://c2d.unige.ch/

http://www.citizenpowermagazine.net/

Flaws of Democracy:

http://leounheort.blogspot.com/2006/05/flaws-of-democracy-and-what-it-should.html

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/view.html?pg=5

Clean Slate Internet (Web 4.0?)

Mike — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:53 GMT

This topic is getting quite hot lately. I'll add some links as I find them.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;748588742;fp;4;fpid;1398720840

http://cleanslate.stanford.edu/

A small forum responding to Stanford Universities proposal above:

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/82312

Google search results for ' "Clean Slate" Internet ':

http://www.google.co.nz/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22clean+slate%22+internet&meta=