If you aren't willing to work with everyone else, you are not welcome into a CSC.

New Society- you work for others there for the same reason you work for yourself here.

But you said you wouldn't exile anyone.

The vast majority would work, and the infinitesimal amount of people who don't would likely leave voluntarily, because their whole worldview would be radically different from everyone else's, and they would likely find it difficult to get along. Human nature is really cultural, anyway.

Why would the 'vast majority' decide to work? And who distributes the resources?

For the same reason the vast majority of people in our society work for their own benefit- because working causes gain for everyone, and in that society the fundamental unit would be every intelligent being (in this case humans) as opposed to oneself.

Resources are there- it is a city, remember- and if you need them you take them.

But the resources are there, whether I work or not - why would I work for them?

In the current society, if you don't work, only you get affected. In your society, if you don't work, everyone else gets affected.

And thus why people work.

New society, new standards. That is why I called it Universal Utilitarian- everyone acts in a utilitarian manner. Simple, no?

That applies in today's society, but in yours, I can slack off and my work won't be missed, while I still reap the rewards.

Except that you don't, because as opposed to personal gain being the goal, it's societal gain. If you don't work, everyone loses, and in that society, that would be equivalent to personal loss in ours.

How difficult is that to understand?

Then you need to explain how you are going to fundamentally change human nature, which is the result of millions of years of evolution.

There is no such thing as human nature, only society. Society determines our conception of human nature, and if we can establish a different society, in which altruism is the norm, we will have utopia.

Something can be nonexistent while we think it exists. For example a certain deity in which belief has been widespread for the last 2000/5000 years.

Frankly, I don't care what academia thinks. I can come to my own conclusions.

After all, never let the facts stand in the way of politics.

Redsand, the societal loss from me not working would be the personal loss in today's society spread thinly over the rest of the population, while the personal gain isn't. So when the personal gain is greater than personal loss = better to stop working. Taking food for an example: in your 'UU', if I stop working the amount of food drops by 1 persons, but if there's a thousand people there it drops by 1/1000 per person. The gain I get (not having to work) isn't spread out.

You obviously missed it. Again/

Personal gain is not the object.

As I said I'm wasting my time here, and I know that once I've tried to explain it at least 10-20 times and you have failed to understand it, that I am wasting my time.

Farewell.

Personnel gain is my object. Moving to your nation will allow me to carry out that objective a lot easier, since all my needs will be provided for by the suckers who are actually working, while I can slack off an do what I want.

Persoanl gain is not the object of Universal Utilarianism, but it is the object of a lot of people who are going to end up there.

I understand the system you're suggesting, but stating that you don't care what academia thinks shows you really don't care about governmental systems at all and your motivation is really your own pride and the desire to be right.

"I wonder whether people would be happy to sit on their asses all day while others are having great success being more involved."
Someone's got to do the hard, not very rewarding jobs of working in the sewers. If you can slack off that and join a team that's doing something better, why not?

As an example, try asking for volunteers to do a list of jobs. Some jobs nearly everyone will volunteer for, whereas other jobs will require 'volunteering' some people to do them.

I don't see what Redsands problem is with the Federal Nightwatchmen system. All it exists for is guaranteeing basic rights, after all.

Seems like things have cooled off for the most part. What other aspects of our governmental model need to be refined at this time?

Basic Rights? The right to ones body (life), the right to follow ones political ideology (liberty), and the right to sufficient knowledge to make a choice about your politcal ideology (the pursuit of happiness).